Those "samples" for sale on eBay
Posted 03 July 2002 - 04:47 PM
xxzipoxx & gn590
Both of these sellers are from Queens, NY, they both accept "MO,cash and personal checks with a 10 day hold" and both are using photos with the same blue background.
I have been contacted several times by xxzipoxx stating that he has more solids to sell and claiming that he has other people interested who will send him "the max."
I am not saying that either of these two sellers aren't legit but I thought I would point out similarities.
[ July 05, 2002, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: Lisa ]
Posted 03 July 2002 - 05:51 PM
I'm relieved I'm not the only one feeling suspicious. Look at their completed auctions. Notice how they bid on each others auctions.
Also, there's another pair of sellers who appear to bid on each other auctions. Look carefully. I don't want to list the userids just in case. I believe these people are not regular buyers/sellers of solids.
Posted 03 July 2002 - 05:56 PM
Posted 04 July 2002 - 02:22 PM
Thanks for any info from experienced collectors.
Posted 04 July 2002 - 02:50 PM
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[ July 04, 2002, 11:22 PM: Message edited by: Lisa ]
Posted 05 July 2002 - 09:31 AM
Posted 05 July 2002 - 07:05 PM
At the convention in Vegas we were shown a short film by Estee Lauder on what goes on during the production process of the solids. We were shown some examples of sample solids that never made it to production.
This would explain some of the solids seen recently on ebay like the bee, purple butterfly & artist palette.
Posted 06 July 2002 - 09:25 AM
Posted 06 July 2002 - 09:26 AM
Posted 06 July 2002 - 02:19 PM
Yesterday I mailed to xxipoxx (Marius) and I asked him about the Artist Palet. He told me he got it from an estate sale and that he knows nothing about this solid perfume.
Does anyone here knows something about it.
A friend ( Marlies ) told me last year she has the information the artist palet was made for 2001
for the australian collection - she told me that there is a snowball too. But I dont saw them before. Could it be that it is for the spring collection 2003 as a nice addition to the weekend artist.
I know about another prototype - it is an enameled duck.
Where can we get more informations about prototypes wich are not in produktion. It could be a nice addition to Roselyn Gersons Book. I think that there are photos made from this nice solids and maybe Bob Conte or the other Designers
can send them to Roselyn and she could publish them for us. We dont want to die stupid !!! ;o)
Posted 06 July 2002 - 03:02 PM
Ken and Ann
(pages 7,8,9&10,Roselyn's book).
Posted 06 July 2002 - 04:51 PM
- The exclusives for Neiman and Estee in Las Vegas - Victoria+Co (Robert Conte V.P.)
- The exclusives for Sak's- This year Jay Strongwater.
- Full distribution- In house.
An ink drawing is first selected and then from that drawing examples are made for viewing. There can be many variations of one perfume compact case (15 different colored fish with pearl) before the final selection is made.
After the perfume compact case is chosen it is then photographed for the catalogues and sales reps.
If a solid case runs into production problems it is not made and the list collectors (who get early information) have, will not match what is then sold in retail stores. As an example: Enough black crystals were not available in time for production of the black cowboy hat, and the red cowboy hat was substituted. The bee was to large and Evelyn Lauder did not like it.( nick named by the designer as "The Bee That ate N.Y.") If you have last years Neiman Marcus catalog you can see the white elephant became a black bear in the Circus Tent. The pink cowboy boot was not selected for various reasons.
After the cases are made they are then sent to Canada to be filled with perfume, labeled, and boxed; then sent to retail stores. NOW THEY ARE ESTEE LAUDER SOLID PERFUME COMPACTS!!
These prototype examples (samples) were never intended to be sold and are considered as "taken" without permission from the design studios. The only exception that we know of is the ivory frog that was given to a long time employee. She used it as a paper weight till her retirement; and, then sold it for a quarter at a flea market..
You can call these "samples" but the higher ups call them stolen property.
The views expressed are based on conversations with top level people at Estee Lauder and various design studios.
And, of course, with advanced and knowledgeable collectors, who usually know more than the EL higher ups.
These 'prototypes' should not be confused with FAKES. That is another story.
For more information on making of Estee Lauder Solids, see page 25 of Roelyn's book. See pages 27-32 for samples of prototype drawings and sketches of EL solids.
Ken & Ann
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