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#1 Lisa

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 10:33 PM

So I know that we are told that the solids are plated in 22K gold but my question is- are all the solids plated this way including the GD solids?

If they are all plated in 22K gold than why isn't there a certificate with the solids?

#2 Petals

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 10:24 AM

Sorry Lisa, but I cannot believe the 22ct gold bit. And why should they use 22ct when they can use a lesser number! Feel free to correct me if I am wrong!

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 10:50 AM

Dear Lisa and Jacqueline,
I am so not in the know about the solids manufacturing aspect, but wondering if perhaps if they use a goldwash on the metal and somehow are able to qualify
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#4 peanutbutter

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 11:41 AM

Hi -

I believe Queenie you might be right about the wash or mix of metal and the gold.

You can use a very small amont of gold and advertise the product as 22k.

Not sure but do think if you are using gold in any amount you will stamp that piece of gold with the amount 12k,10k,22k and so on .. just like the back of your rings will have a stamp. I have not looked really close but I have not seen a stamp on any of the solids I have.

Maybe we should ask EL what % of the solid is actually gold!

#5 Lisa

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:12 PM

If you look at Roz Gerson's book on page 25 you will find the making of a solid perfume compact- this article was put out by EL and it says
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Plating is typically a three step process whereby castings are dipped into copper, nickel and rhodium and/or 22K gold


I know this is a question we will never get answered by EL but just wondering about which solids are dipped?

#6 peanutbutter

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:39 PM

Lisa,

Not sure if I can help but will give it a try.. Both my father and brother are experts in manufacturing and molding several metals and plastics. I will have them look over the solids I have and see if they can tell me anything.

Like the showgirl looks dipped and the slot machine looks like a mold, looking at the gingerbread house this looks like some pieces on it were dipped and others molded.

I know there are several different processes for each type of mold and each one of EL solids is totally different. I know that some molds need to be sent out for special work and machining, that may also influence why some solids are a lot more than others when they appear to have less bling but alot more work really went into it than you know.

Will get back to you on this.

#7 Petals

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 12:51 PM

Well that is really interesting. Am looking forward to all you find out regarding this point......

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#8 2cute4u2

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:48 PM

Thanks for the explanation Peanutbutter. Please let us know more when you find out.

And...welcome to the boards. I don't believe that anyone has welcomed you. So let me be the first. biggrin.gif

#9 Lisa

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:56 PM

Thanks Mary- I too am interested in hearing the results!
Along with 2cute4u2 I welcome you too, it's getting hard to keep up with all our new members, sorry. tongue.gif I am thrilled however you are posting and getting to know everyone.


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Posted 03 April 2005 - 05:15 PM

Yeah!! Hiya - Nice to see someone new on the board with relatives "in the know"!

Looking forward to what you can find out for us all here. And to getting to know you better through your posts. biggrin.gif

#11 Aussie Girl

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 01:06 AM

Gold Plating is actually very economical as all it is is covering or dipping the article into a gold solution. It is mostly done using small quantities of 22ct or 24ct gold and the value of the gold is just a few dollars. The higher the carat the softer the gold which is why for a solution they don't use a lower carat of 18 or 14 & as the article is not solid gold it cannot be hall-marked as such. Most of the cost with a gold dipped article is in the preparation of the surface - some surfaces needing more preparation than others. Depending on the thickness of the coating of the gold and wear & tear some plated articles loose their gold i.e. round the edges of cups, saucers & plates which often have gold plated rims.

Perhaps as suggested E.L. do charge a lot more for a gold plated solid -but only I.M.H.O. because it sounds good, not because it necessarily costs them more to produce.

I hope I have been able to shed a little light on the subject.

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 08:28 AM

Thanks "Aussie Girl" for shedding some light on the subject of gold plating.
Now we have a better perspective on the matter. I still will treasure my solid even if there is a small amount of gold plating. It is alot of work producing such a small intricate item.
Thanks again!
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#13 Petals

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 10:38 AM

Thanks Karen! I am really surprised to read all this information as I really was sceptical about the issue of 'dipped in gold'. I have one prototype which is plain gold from top to toe! Presumably this was dipped in gold prior to the next stage which would have been the enamelling. But the items which remain plain gold are presumably gold dipped over the metal and polished????? Over to the EXPERTS.

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#14 Sandra

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 05:35 PM

Hmmm . . . good reading Karen - thanks!! Lots to chew on there. I like knowledge! biggrin.gif

I agree with you about the "sounds good" rather than "costs more" - always a strategic marketing ploy - still I'd rather have them dipped in gold rather than something else I guess! blink.gif

#15 Lisa

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Posted 04 April 2005 - 06:32 PM

I found the following information out in that the plating- it would depend on the color of the metal for the solid. Meaning that if the solids is gold and a bright gold color or matte was to be achieved than the solid is dipped in gold. All the solids start with a lead free casting and then get electroplated with copper/nickel. Silver look solids get a rhodium plating and no gold is used.
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